If Jesus died for us as a free gift then what need for faith?

[Walter Muller]

Hi Pikeman, R.C.

John chapter 15 verses 13 to 15; "the greatest love a person can have for his "friends" is to give his life for them. 14 and you are my "friends" if you do what I command you. 15 I do not call you servants any longer, because a servant does not know what his master is doing, instead I call you "friends", because I have told you everything I heard from my Father.
There is another place which I cannot recall right now where he said the same thing: This statement in a way "scrap" the whole "slave" principle. It also explain quite clearly how "slave" becomes "friend", not an alien thought or idea, just a very logical one. If you enroll at some university and start studying a subject you become a slave to the teacher, but once you graduate you become an x student, almost a friend to the teacher, after some years in that field of study you eventually become a friend to the old teacher and in more cases than I care to remember students/slaves became great partners and friends to their old teachers.

It was this kind of thing Jesus tried to teach his apostles but even they distorted it in later years. As for the statement that he was willing to die for his friends, just another logical thing to do if he was indeed a friend to them, which according to his final outcome he proved that he was, he took al the blame himself, but he did not die for no man's sin.

Should you read John Chapter 11 verses 45 to 53 you will find that his whole demise was a premedetated effort by the church to get rid of him and in the process make him look like a martyr, which most of us till this day believe he was, he was actually killed to hide the sins of the church of the day and to prevent him in exposing their true nature as Stephan did in the book of Acts chapter 7 verses 42 to 43- "People of Israel! it was not to me that you slaughtered and sacrificed animals for forty years in the desert. It was the tent of the god Molech that you carried, and the image of Rephan, your star god; they were the idols that you had made to worship".

Needless to say, half an hour later Stephan was stoned to death, Jesus used parables and hidden speach to survive for 2 and a half years, but eventually they got to him.

Read this http://www.letterdash.com/walmul/moses-and-jetrho

Walter.

[reluctantchristian]

Never mind.

[visitor]

Hi Walter

Seems the church turn to philosophy, and that you must seek the Jesus in yourself. Why is it that religious people will take anything and try to make it a religion. And can you explain the following to me please.
1. If I clone a monster will it live?
2. When you die is spirit going back to its creator?
3. And if so then why can some of us still see spirit?
4. Does it make sense to still keep churches or religion which is being proved to be wrong, yet create another religion?

Thank you.
Visitor

[Walter Muller]

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Originally Posted by visitor

Seems the church turn to philosophy, and that you must seek the Jesus in yourself. Why is it that religious people will take anything and try to make it a religion. And can you explain the following to me please.

People in general need some form of anchor, a safe haven where bliss exists for all, and that is why people take ‘religion’ as that anchor. The new age religion see the fallacy in the existing religion and are trying to give the people something ‘better’ and in this process they still confirm one of the fundamentals of religion; “keep what is good, good, and what is bad should stay bad etc”.

1. If I clone a monster will it live?

Yes, it will live, if all the ingredients is present life will be supplied, irrespective the shape and size, that is why cloning or creating require the utmost care and responsibility. Cloning has been proved to live, to have life. “Life” is what we term spirit, and the origin of life is stated in scripture in Genesis chapter 1 verse 2; “and the power of God was moving over the water”. in the KJV it is stated “And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”. This verse is not religious it is purely an opinion on how life came to be, and a description from scripture, Buddhism and Taoism has similar descriptions, and both those “religions” is more “a way of life” than religion. This tells us that spirit is in fact first and that it effectively drives flesh, a total contradiction as to what religion teach us.

2. When you die is spirit going back to its creator?

This question indicates what religion, philosophy and the new age religion is trying to teach us! You require a short and simple answer, unfortunately a short and simple answer will not give you nor anybody who read this satisfaction.

I will try to be to the point, it is however very complicated. No you don’t! “Why not?” When you build (create) a car that car when it is finished wil have certain capabilities (characteristics), which means it will be “individualistic”, like you and me! We are individuals with our own ideas which is formed as we progress through life. Those ideas form your character, your character is the real you; “life or spirit” not the physical body, the body is only a vehicle. This means you become an individual with character or ego, a new creation. Religion, philosophy and the new age group believe that this new character lives on after death which is correct, but they also believe this new character loose its individuality after death and become one with the supplier again, losing its character or ego, and basically become a gear in a gearbox manipulated at will by a greater entity, making all the lessons it has learned nul and void! The question here is; what was the point in creating this new spirit and allowing it to live at free will for a short period just to take back the character afterwards?

The fallacy in that teaching is obvious, and can be shown being a fallacy by simply looking at life. A man and woman make love, a child is born, they teach this child, when this child reach a certain age, “maturity” the parents let that child go free, that child were taught certain values by the parents, but on reaching maturity that child is now an individual left to his or her own decisions. The supplier of life is the parent, when the new spirit has learned a couple of things, the supplier let go, and allow the new spirit to learn on its own.

Jesus taught that we reincarnate, so does Buddhism and Taoism, Christianity, philosophy and the new age effort is not yet on that page, Jesus, Buddhism and Taoism gives credence to individualism, should we just ignore that and accept the lord Almighty’s idea, “an idea intended to create slaves!” Another statement made by Jesus which is directly a contradiction against Religion, philosophy and the new age teachings is this; “now that you understand what I said, you become my friends.”

Jesus told this to his apostles, he died to this world and moved on to a “spiritual world” where he was going to wait for his “friends” to join him. This simple statement confirms individualism which includes character and ego, it stay as it is. When we die to this world we move on as individuals, we do become part of a greater ‘life’, but as the individual you have become while still in the flesh.

3. And if so then why can some of us still see spirit?

The answer in 2 explain this question, remember, not everybody can see or experience spirit, and for those who don’t, accepting it is almost impossible, be patient with them, and don’t try to force them. People like John Edward and many others try to inform this world that spirit exist and are individuals on the other side. Many will and are trying desperately to discredit efforts like his. Jesus tried to explain it when he referred to Abraham as being glad when he heard that he Jesus was coming here (John Chapter 8 verse 56) All Christians worship Jesus yet do not believe what he told them! They prefer to hold on to what their Father the “Devil” taught them, “obey and stay slaves, or else”! In my book, Unchaste Deception , I explained your questions in greater detail.

4. Does it make sense to still keep churches or religion which is being proved to be wrong, yet create another religion?

Religion or rather the Christian and Muslim religions have grown into multi billion dollar businesses, to just close them would mean loss of income to millions of people, those religions might eventually face the reality that it is becoming obsolete, and when it happens the people employed in them will have to go and find alternative employment. For now they are still relatively save, it might take another couple of hundred years before they will need to make the change, but eventually they will.

Alternatively they might realise that to change their teachings into a more acceptable form and incorporate basic spiritual advancement studies no job losses will occur, a word of warning might be taken here; creation is an ongoing process, it never stops, new spirit is created every day, the same as reincarnation happens every day! Newly born babies do not all house new spirits, some are older, some very old, before deciding on spiritual advancement across the board, check with the Buddhist masters first, we cannot teach advanced knowledge to new spirit, nor basics to old spirits. To prove what I have stated here is close to impossible, the old masters have however ways to determine what I have stated here. “No, I am neither Christian, nor Buddhist or Taoist”.


Walter.